Northern England, (NW & Yorkshire) weather discussion January 2021
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January 20, 2021 at 9:45 am #265Kasim AwanKeymaster
The event this evening continues to improve in the high res. It is now likely that a transition towards sleet will occur throughout the region. Precip intensity and duration will control whether this turns to snow. This at present favoured to occurr in more C/E parts of the region. So, areas along or east of the M6 and especially to the SE of Manchester i.e. E Chesh. Staffs & W. Yorks favoured for improved thermodynamic heat transfer below 200m. This means I’m quite confident some heavy wet snow will occur here with patchy coverings below 200m.,
Further west (M6 west), whilst optimal conditions are less likely to occur it is still possible under a more westwards track. So the forecast here below 200m is more heavy sleet with the potential for localized wet snow. This diminishing to 70% sleet 30% wet snow on the coast. This is as some high res have trended the precip souh east taking with it the optimal TD conditions.
Kasim Awan
“A spell of heavy precipitation will begin to turn wintry after around 9pm with the potential for disruptive amounts (4cm+) of snow in the east above 250m.
Between 150 and 250 in East Lancs, Yorks, Gtr Mcr, Cheshire, Derbs and Staffs there is a likelihood of some snowfall, producing 2-4cm as a median projection.
Higher elevation areas east of the M6 are favoured for these more significant and locally disruptive values. For example, Queensbury, Glossop, Macclesfield, Buxton.
There is the potential for temporary lying wet snow at lower elevations too, confidence for this is also limited due to the chance of a more SE track and faster movemenr of the front. This is most likely to occur roughly east of Manchester Airport, for say Wilmslow, Stockport, Blackburn, with marginal precipitation becoming increasingly likely west of this location. This does not discount the small possibility of a more westwards track which would bring more central regions of Cheshire, Merseyside and Lancashire at risk of say 1-3cm of wet snow, for example Warrington, St. Helens and Northwich.
This risk whilst totally valid looking at the high res, the outcome of meaningful accumulation being restricted to further East and largely following altitude is favoured. Plus this track does not discount localized heavy precip producing spatially limited temporary heavy wet snow even potentially up towards the coastal strip.”.
So, a finely balanced set up with some interesting potential. Keep an eye on reports this evening. Speak later all.- This reply was modified 3 years, 10 months ago by Kasim Awan.
January 20, 2021 at 9:56 am #267Kasim AwanKeymasterEuro4 is credible and sits roughly in the middle of the projected severity, 2-12cm above 200m in the east with a risk of localized slushy coverings lower and further west, maybe 2cm in Congleton more possible towards Stoke. The temporary aspect related to high wet bulb.
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You must be logged in to view attached files.January 20, 2021 at 10:42 am #269SouthYorksParticipant6z runs continue to hold snow interest. Harmonie going for a mix of snow, reserved for higher ground, and sleet lower down particularly on the East side of the Pennines. WRF-NMM going for an all snow scenario.
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You must be logged in to view attached files.January 20, 2021 at 10:43 am #272Kasim AwanKeymasterA heavy sleet / wet snow transition is most likely below 150m giving locally 2mm-2cm east of say Warrington & Rotherham west Dave so a blend of the Harmonie and Wrf. Why no warning from the Met? 🤔
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January 20, 2021 at 10:50 am #274WillinGlossopParticipantLookslike warnings being updated… ice warning in ni
Interesting weather over next few days 👍👌🤞January 20, 2021 at 10:56 am #275Kasim AwanKeymasterLots of confusion on the NW thread about this evening’s event. I think some are under playing the potential. It’s more developed than “a slight risk of backedge sleet”.
January 20, 2021 at 11:06 am #276Slidergate 17. Sale , CheshireParticipantIt definitely has a feel of nowcasting about it after say 8pm… could be a few surprise modest as level accumulations around Cheshire & GM.
January 20, 2021 at 12:07 pm #277Kasim AwanKeymasterWhy has no warning been issued by the Met? It’s well above the disruption threshold in my locale.
January 20, 2021 at 12:07 pm #278Chris RocheParticipantHi guys,
I posted my thoughts earlier on the NW regional about tonight’s event; will copy below.
I feel like it may be a little more widespread than you recon Kasim just based on past events and gut feeling. I think Merseyside might do alright from it.
Anyway here are my thoughts. Whatever happens I think it warrants a warning or at least a mention from the MetTonight.
Latest WRF continues to signpost a significant risk of heavy snow this evening. The exact duration and onset of this depends on your location.
Further north and above 100 m snow is likely from around 19:00. On low ground and further south it’s more like 20:00–21:00.
Likely to be a very swift transition especially if precip is heavy.
Surface temps could fall by 7° in a short time especially further south and on high ground.
Don’t want to make a guess on snow depths as situation is too fluid but certainly has potential for quick accumulation.
Some caveats.
Although the WRF and now other models are showing this scenario, the Met and BBC want absolutely nothing to do with it. The WRF has been rock solid showing this for a few days and it is rarely so wrong at this range. If it is wrong then kudos to Met/BBC but at the moment I am inclined to believe that they are wrong.
A little concerned that there may be transport problems as there will have been no prior warning of possible heavy snow and I am thinking of writing a post on FB to warn friends/Family of the *possible* risk.
We shall see what happens.
Stay safe everyone.
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January 20, 2021 at 12:16 pm #280Kasim AwanKeymasterGood post again Chris, hat off to thee.
In terms of amounts most likely atm: I will stick to a scattered/ marginal 1-3cm below 150m up to say Runcorn and 2-7cm widely above this altitude in the east. Uncertainty is due to risk of heavier ppn further south (Fmi-Hirlam / ICON to an extent). I fully suspect the Met to be underplaying it.
January 20, 2021 at 12:18 pm #281Raul AlonsoParticipantUpdated warning only from Meto… lol just mention of possible snow as rain clears 1-4cm.. very vague from there and also so messy on the Meto warnings map haha
https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/ISALE43
January 20, 2021 at 12:34 pm #282Chris RocheParticipantTemps already starting to drop out West. My Crosby station is down to 5.8°C and dropping quickly under heavy rain whilst it’s still 10.6°C here!
January 20, 2021 at 12:51 pm #283Chris RocheParticipant8.2°C now, fell 2.4°C in 20 minutes. 5.6°C now at Crosby.
January 20, 2021 at 3:02 pm #284Jeremy SParticipantgot a feeling that low lying East Yorkshire will miss out again …..apart from the high Wolds ( Garrowby / Fridaythorpe etc )
January 20, 2021 at 3:05 pm #285Kasim AwanKeymasterRisk of 1-2cm above about 200ft in E Yorks imo. The 06Z wrf is correct with the current ppn so it’s likely the 12z wrf will verify > 2-3cm fairly widely between 150 and 500ft east of Runcorn ..
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